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VW LT (Florida) Skylight Installation

I have put together this guide as a one stop shop for anybody that may be considering making such an alteration. As with any such modification there are always going to be alternative ways of getting to the same end result, but I feel that this may be a good basic insight to what is involved.

Our van was made in 1990 and the original skylight above the living space had clearly seen better days and was starting to let water in during heavy rain. We had noticed a few times that the bedding was damp when we had collected the van from storage as we tend to leave the upper bed down most of the time. However, I didn’t realise just how bad the situation was until I got the ladder out to have a closer look.

Suffice to say we could no longer put off replacing the unit. I had been watching a few people on social media replace their original skylights for similar reasons, and one of the options was the Dometic Heki 2. This was considerably larger than the original, so a definite upgrade in relation to the amount of light it would let in, and improved ventilation during warm weather. That said, at £640, the cost was the main reasons we had delayed it so long.

The first thing to do was to remove the original skylight. Inside the van the plastic trim was held into place by a number of self tapping screws which were hidden behind small plastic lugs. There was also a self tapping screw that held the winding handle on. I positioned a set of step ladders against the side of the van with some foam to provide padding where they rested on the van. This gave me reasonable access to unit from the top. If you do not have the Fiamma roof box fitted at the rear, or a solar panel as is the case in my situation (you can see this to the left of the picture below), you may prefer to climb the ladder at the rear and work your way forward from the back. Just be mindful of where the roof support bars are beneath the fiberglass structure, and use those.

The original unit was fixed into place by Mastic tape, and the only thing properly securing it to the roof were the parts we had already removed inside the van. So with a little prying and some gentle persuasion the original unit was removed,

Moving back inside, It may be a good time to consider protecting as much of the interior of the van with dust sheets or blankets as there is no real way of keeping the van free from dust and debris during the process going forward. Carefully remove the ceiling trim. This is made of thin ply so be careful as you work the ceiling out of the grey rails. You only need to take the piece surrounding the skylight itself!

This will expose the fibreglass wadding / insulation. This is nasty stuff and can irritate the skin and cause chest issues. I would recommend suitable clothing with full length trousers and long sleeved top (overalls ideally), along with a face mask, eyewear and gloves. Don’t wear shorts and T-Shirt like I did…”Do as I say and not as I do” 🙂 . The wadding is glued to the roof so a wide wallpaper scrapper would be the ideal tool to get behind and carefully manipulate away from the roof to remove. Place the trim and wadding on one side as these will need to be modified later to fit the new aperture.

The next thing to do is to mark the roof ready for cutting making sure this sits in between the roof metal roof supports. I used the template that’s printed on the outside of the box that the skylight is shipped in.

This was cut using a scalpel and scissors. Its a little confusing as the cut line is 5-6mm thick, leaving some ambiguity. The dimensions of this skylight is 960 x 655 mm. Measuring the template this falls at the very outer edge of the black line.

That said, I decided to cut slightly in of the line, which meant the hole was smaller with the option of opening out if too small. This was the case, but better that way than to have the aperture too large with no option to add material back.

I offered the template up on the inside of the van and estimated that there would be between 8 and 10mm of room if the hole was cut centrally, front to back, between the roof supports. With this information to hand I measured 8mm back from the front roof support at two locations either side of the van and made a mark.

This would be about 850mm apart, or 425mm off the vans centreline, but well within the template of the skylight, before the curve (See below).

P.S. If you are anything like me, you would double and triple check that you are clear in your head why you are doing what you are doing, and that you have your measurements right, because this is the point of no return!! With these reference marks made I took drill with a 2mm drill bit and drilled up and outwards through the fibreglass roof.

From the outside of the van this would provide a valuable visual reference in which to draw a straight line connecting the two drill holes. (I apologise for not documenting this with photos as I was up against the clock to some degree). I also marked the centre line of the van roof externally based on the original skylight position, and in turn marked the centre line of the cardboard template. From here I could use those two reference lines to centre the template on the roof, and align the long front edge against the drill bit line. Once the template was in position, I taped it to the van roof and drew around it.

There were a couple of different ways to cut the roof. Suggested for the rounded corners were a 130mm core drill with the straight edges cut with a 1mm cutting disk on an angle grinder, or a jigsaw. As seen in this gallery below, a very neat solution to making the roof hole by Peter Ferry.

Alternatively the whole roof could be cut with the jigsaw. I chose the jigsaw route due to the fact I couldn’t get the core drill short notice locally. With the starter hole done with a 10mm drill as a starting point to drop the saw blade in, I used a a narrow profile blade similar to the one pictured below, as this would offer better and more precise work at the rounded corners.

Narrow Jigsaw blade similar to that used to cut the roof.

I found the best way to access this whilst doing the cut was to move the upper bed into position (after removing the mattress and furnishings) and stand up on that, through the old skylight aperture. I worked my way around the marked line during the cutting, stopping at intervals to stick gorilla tape between the two cuts to support the inner part, which would eventually be the discarded part of the roof. Once the final part had been cut I removed the gorilla tape and the waste material. You can see the part removed in the image below which still has the Gorilla tape stuck to it.

The next thing I did was thoroughly clean the roof around the aperture. I used Cif on a sponge and cleaned with a damp cloth. This is suggested in the fitting instructions, and the main reason (if not obvious), is to present a suitable surface to provide good adhesion between the roof and skylight at the point the components are assembled for the final fit.

Once this was done it was time to drop the new unit in. For me this was a process that took a couple of attempts as I had cut the hole slightly small. This was refined to the point where it eventually dropped in. The tolerance suggested is 1 > 2mm of clearance around the unit. I can only assume this was for any slight expansion / contraction of materials.

As I eluded to at the start of this post, I never really felt comfortable about the fitting of the skylight because there were a lot of unknowns, and the major concern around taking a hacksaw to the roof did not fill me with confidence. The advice I had was good, but insufficient quality photos at every stage to make it clear in my head exactly how the whole thing went together, left a lot of questions remaining. I had the new skylight and some instructions with it, but until fitting, it was never really that clear. So as the install moves forward there was a few head scratching moments to come.

I had brought a couple of different sized batons of wood to act as bridging pieces / packers, as I had been advised that this is what I would need to assist with the install. It wasn’t until I had dropped the skylight in that I could really start thinking about how this was all going to fit together. The fixing kit that comes with the skylight is for the shallowest roof depth, which is 25mm – 35mm and colour coded ‘Grey’. The actual roof depth of the Florida is between 45mm – 50mm dependant on where you are measuring from. Other fixing kits are available and come in different colour coded options dependant on their depth to cater for the appropriate roof depth.

The information I had from other people installations was that the grey kit would work OK if the fixing screws that came with the kit were changed for longer ones. I decided to go down this route after a little testing as I couldn’t see it would be a problem. That said, I did see that another person chose to use the ‘Yellow’ fixing kit so this may be an option others may want to consider. Especially if you can buy the kit in advance of the installation under the agreement by the supplier this can be returned if not required if you don’t use it, as it is an extra expense at approximately £45.

The replacement screws I used can be seen above, and were 15mm longer for the longest screws (40mm), and 10mm longer for the shorter screws that are used to fix the lower trim (25mm).

I decided, that two lengths of 20mm x 25mm wooden batons would work for the 5 fixing points along the long edge of the skylight which would brace up against the metal roof supports. These were laid with the widest face top to bottom , narrowest front to back.

I didn’t feel the length was critical, but just long enough to provide a decent level of pull into the roof beyond the outer two fixings. The batons left and right for the 3 outer fixings were 25mm x 35mm and were cut to fit in between the two metal roof supports with the deepest profile top to bottom, narrowest against the roof / fixings.

The initial fitting was just a dry run to make sure that the roof pulled in sufficiently when all of the fixings were torqued down. This was more of a test for the sides as the roof of the van does start to slope off further out. Not massively, but this is where there will be a gap.

Once I was happy that everything was within tolerance, I proceeded to remove the skylight ready for the final installation.

I chose to follow the advice I had from others to use W4 Mastic Sealing Tape to secure the skylight to the roof. It comes in varying widths, primarily available in three standard widths, 19mm, 32mm, and 45mm. The other option was Sikaflex, but there would be no way back from the install with that, should something go wrong, as this a ridiculously powerful bonding adhesive, where as the tape would be more forgiving. I used 19mm for my install.

With the skylight out and lying face down, run the tape into the channel (depicted in purple on the image below). I found at the corners it was better to remove the backing paper and slowly work the tape in uniformly, or else the paper makes the tape pucker up. Then continue along the next edge. Rinse and repat till you meet the start point. I did have one messy corner (the first in the run) where the tape had puckered up due to not removing the backing paper. I’m hoping it’s OK. Just try and follow the above considering my explanation.

Before I dropped the skylight back in, I ran a bead of quality white bathroom sealant along the inner edge of the mastic in the corner, all the way around as a belt and braces approach. This is depicted as the blue line on the image above (Again, sorry for lack of images at time of install, I have just had to improvise).

Now repeat the fitting procedure as done previously with the dry install, and torque in to the roof, checking its seated sufficiently close on the outside.

Next you will need to mark and cut the inner roof liner. I used a ruled and made sure that it was pushed as far as it would go into the outer grey locating bead (where the plywood roof trim sits), and measured to the mid point on the grey roof fixing.

Transpose this measurement onto ceiling trim and work your way around for each edge. I marked the trim on the upper face (not the visible face), but just make sure you understand the orientation as it may not be equal distance / mirrored. I found that this should roughly align with the original roof template if place on top.

As far as the corners are concerned, I chose not to round off the edges as per the original template, but cut diagonally to leave a little more material there. The main thing is that the roof liner doesn’t get in the way of the lower (HEKI) trim fixings screws.

Once the roof trim is in place, you can offer up and assess the lower (Heki) trim fixing points. I could see that the outer three on each side were almost perfect, where as the 5 on the front and rear edge looked like they needed some spacers (or the alternative yellow fitting kit if purchased prior to install) . I found a sacrificial rubber mat in my garage that looked like it would be a suitable depth to form a spacer. I cut it into ten small packers, drilling a hole in one side to align with the screw hole for the lower HEKI trim, and stuck them on each of the grey fixings with double sided tape.

I then offered up the lower trim and carefully screwed it into position being careful not to over tighten. I tested the operation of the blind from time to time, and all seemed to work fine. However, I have been advised to take care as you do this as any twisting of the lower frame could case issues with the blind movement.

So all that is required now is to fit the trim to hide the screw fitting points, and that is the end of the install.

I hope you found this guide useful. I have tried to do my best with this, and it seems to make sense to me, but there may be some points that are not clear and need some refining. If you could post a comment with any suggestions or questions it would be much appreciated.

Thetford 220cs fixed toilet

We brought the Westy Florida in October 2019 and used it for a good number of weeks between then and March 2021. So we had certainly gotten used to the luxury of a larger van and all that comes with such a well thought out interior by this time. Our camping for 2021 had been thrown into turmoil as the COVID pandemic altered the way we lived, and we found ourselves in a situation where our holiday money was just sitting in a bank account with no real means to embark on another Euro trip due to the resrictions on travel. So we decided to spend some of the money on upgrades that we felt would take this already capable campervan to the next level.

One of our big bug bears with the LT was that we were still having to make do with a cassette toilet which meant we had the awkward task of taking the lower part of the cassette, and all its contaminated materiel through the living area. Not ideal!

So during one of our camping trips earlier in the year we started to think about our options. The community for the Westfalia Florida is really great on social media, and it didn’t take us long to realise that the fixed toilet with the waste removed from the rear of the van was a realistic, and do able option, as it had been done before by a few people.

We chose the latest incarnation of the Thetford toilet which had the larger capacity waste tank.

A high quality Cassette Toilet for use in caravan, campervan or motorhome with their own onboard water tank, the Thetford C223CS Cassette Toilet features a waste tank capacity of 18 litres and comes with the convenience of electric flush.

Thetford UK

This came with the additional complications of having to create a spacer to move the toiler further into the wet room as the cassette protuded too far outside the shower cubicle that the rear door would hit it, and could not be closed as a result. As said previously, I had plenty of help with pictures and spacing dimentions which took most of the head scratching away from me. All I had to do was “follow the instructions provided”.

Although I was told that the toilet should have come with an installation template, there was nothing in the box. So I had to create one myself. The first thing I needed to do was measure the dimentions of the cassette holding shelf. This was so I could cut the first hole so that i could slide the toilet up against the inside of the shower room cubicle. After establishing these dimentions I created an oblong template out of cardboarb. I offerd this up on the inside of the shower where the wall met the base and marked with a sharpie. I drilled a small hole at each corner then moved to the outside of the shower via the rear door to join the four holes with a ruler and a sharpie. Next was to cut out the hole. The joining cuts were performed with a combination of angle grider with a very fine cutting disk, and a dremmel.

Next was to start working with the template I had made out of carboard for the rest of the install.

The position of the holes I decided to use lined up with the position of the holes that I assume were meant for the rear flush unit which was an optional extra not included with my toilet. If you read the installation instructions for the toilet they suggest screwing self tappers into three locations in the mouldings which didn’t really seem to make sense when there were six perfectly good designated self tapping mouldings on the toilet already. Two at each side, and two at the top. To accuratly identify the location of these on the rear of the toilet, i put some paint on each hole and carefully offered up my cardboard template to transpose accuratly.

Once established, this in turn was offered up to my wooden spacer, clamped so as not to move and the holes were drilled through the cardboard and wood. Once done I offered the wood up to make sure each self tapper hit the screw moulding. Perfect.

Now I’m ashamed to say that there was one stage of frame spacer i didn’t document. This was the captive nuts and corresponding bolts i decided to use to secure the frame to the shower wall from the outside. Basically I had drilled two additional holes in the hardwood on eash side, and one in the centre on the top of the frame. Once drilled to the M6 thread size I drilled a slightly smaller hole than the diameter of the nut, but just deep enough to recess it on the outer facing of the frame. I then positioned the nut above the recess and pulled it into the frame with the M6 bolt.

The next thing to do was to extend the apature in the shower cubicle upwards for the cassette. I positioned the toilet and dropped the hardwood spacer in between the inner wall of the shower cubicle and pencil marked around the outside of the spacer once i knew it was seated correctly.

I slid out the toilet, made sure the spacer hadn’t moved and then marked the inside of the spacer with a Sharpie marker. After this it was just a case of attacking the line with the angle grinder and fine cutting disk as per the first hole.

Due to the thin nature of the fiberglass shower wall I needed to create a means of sandwhiching the inner parts of the fixings with the outer to spread any load evenly. I used a piece of 8mm plywood for this.

The apeture was cut to match the hole in the shower wall, and as you can see i deliberatly left a border along the bottom for a little ridgid strength. I then positioned the hardwood frame on the inside and the plywood on the outside and clamped in place making doubly sure they were exactly where they needed to be. Knowing the holes had already been drilled in the hardwood frame, all I needed to do was run the drill through each one to create holes in the shower and continue through to exit the plywood at the rear. This was also the case for the bolts to screw into the captive nuts to hold the frame to the plywood. So in total 11 drill holes were ran through

Obviously the hardwood spacer was going to be subject to very damp condiotions that would inevitably have a detremental impact on the material in time. So to offer protection i decided to seal the whole thing in fiberglass and epoxy resin. This should entombe the wood and stop it getting wet.

Once dry it was sanded to a suitable finish. I chose to cover it in a slate grey effect,glue backed tiles I found at a local outlet in the UK called Dunelm (Although I am sure they are not unique to this outlet).

So now things are really moving forward because this is where stuff starts getting bolted together. Below you can see that the frame has been pulled into the toilet apeture from the back which was done with a liberal application of silicoln sealer. Any excess was wiped away and white bathroom sealant was added to finish off.

Below you can see some of the stainless allen bolts securing the hardwood frame from the outside using the captive nuts, but also the build up of various rubber sheets making up a sandwhich layer to level the toilet as the wet room has a slope towards the plug hole. Each one of these layers were bonded to either the floor, or each corresponding layer to make one imovable platform.

With the very congealed mess from the glue it was now time to fix the toilet in place. The back of the toilet has a thin rubber sealing strip that commes proud of the plastic casting. I am sure this would have sealed sufficiently, but i felt the belt and braces approach was not going to do any harm, so a thin smear of clear silicoln sealer was applied before carefully offering into place. The rest was done from the outside by the way of the correct length stainless self tappers being screwed into plasic casting of the toilet to pull the three layers together snugly.

Its difficult to see in the picture above but I made sure to mask off the area around the toilet with broad so as not to get any of the nasty glues / sealants on the shower cubicle floor. I know that these can be pretty aggressive and really difficult to get rid off should a stray blob get in the wrong place.

Next was to make a fixing for the electric flush unit. This consists of a small single press flush button, but again it needed to be fixed securly to the thin wall of the shower. I decided to use the same plywood used for the mounting the toilet, but utilised the cut out fiberglass sections of the shower cubicle so that its front facing matched perfetly with the rest of the shower.

Fortunatley the button came in two parts. There was the front facia with electronic gubbings, but also an extuded plastic member that was clearly designed to protrude into the various camoervan and motorhome interiours. This was the part i used to creare a template for the plywood, making sure there was enough around the apeture for the extended bezel of the button facia. This was done as a pair knowing that I would need one at the back of the shower to mate up with the one actually in the cubicle itself. As you can see from the image below, the internal face of the shower cubile has been countersunk for the screw heads.

After sealing the plywood the front facia was drilled using one of the plywood blocks, there were in turn offered up to an appropriate location next to the shower controls and the holes were drilled through the shower wall. After application of silicoln sealer on both sides they were bolted in place. The same was done for the front facia, and the button. All sorted! 🙂